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December 25, 2011

ABC Radio National: Counterpoint

Australian Broadcasting Corporation


CONTENTS


2012


2011


COUNTERPOINT


Amanda Vanstone.
  • The Righteous Mind, 25 June, 2012.
    Jonathan Haidt: Henry Kaufman Visiting Professor, Stern School of Business, New York University.

    [There are] three principles of moral psychology.
    The first is [that moral] intuitions come first [and] strategic reasoning second ...
    {[P]eople’s moral arguments are [mostly] post-hoc constructions.}

    The second is there's more to morality than harm and fairness {[eg] liberty, loyalty, authority, and sanctity.}

    The third principle of moral psychology is [that] morality binds and blinds.
    [When we] bind ourselves [to a political or] religious group [we cede] the ability to think for ourselves.
    [T]his is what partisanship is. ...

    John Stuart Mill [said that] a party of change ... and a party of stability are both necessary for the healthy state of political society. ...
    [Almost all] changes have unintended consequences ...
    Many humanitarian efforts will help people [in the present while encouraging] bad behaviour in the future.
    [B]oth sides are wise to certain threats but totally blind to others ...

    What I'm hoping is that we can disagree without demonising.

    {Human beings are 90 percent chimp and 10 percent bee. ...
    Natural selection [works] at two levels ...
    • Individuals compete with individuals within every group [and]
    • [Groups compete] with other groups.
    [Darwin hypothesized that] the most cohesive and cooperative groups generally beat the groups of selfish individualists. ...
    Under special circumstances [we subordinate personal self-interest to] the good of the group.
    Hivishness [facilitates altruism and heroism] but can blind us to other moral concerns [leading to] war, and genocide.}

    Would you like to know more?

  • Patriots, 18 June, 2012.
    David Frum: Former Speech Writer to George W Bush.

    At one point in the novel ... the mistress of the head of this fictitious network called Patriot News, explains to Walter [the protagonist] how it works, she says,
    Have you seen those ads on our network for carbon monoxide detectors?
    This is an imaginary ad but it's based on some real things where they say there is a hidden killer inside your home.
    That's our message; there's a hidden killer inside your home and you must watch us for hours and hours because only by watching us and only when you watch us are you safe. ...

    [M]any people feel uncomfortable with the pace of change.
    The challenge of leadership is to lead and not to manipulate and exploit people's understandable fears for your own selfish advantage.
    [T]here's a Tea Party-like group in the book [who have] been stoked into a level of fear by some very cynical people who intend to do nothing for them. ...

    [T]he heroic age of the American conservative movement [was] the late '70s to the early 1980s ...
    [We were right that] if you freed the rental market you would have more apartments and no shortages ...
    We were right that if you got rid of oil and natural gas price controls, you put an end to the energy shortage of the '70s.
    We were right that if you deregulated the airways, airline fares would become cheaper.
    We were right that the way to stop inflation was to control the money supply, not to have wage and price controls.
    We were right about the Soviet Union.
    (And [even if were had been] wrong about everything else, being right about the Soviet Union would be enough to retire on.)
    We were right about how you fought crime.
    We were right about the importance of stable families. ...

    ... I think elites are inevitable.
    Talents aren't distributed equally.
    Some people are just born with more opportunities, whether because they inherit money or because they have more IQ or they're better looking or they're great athletes, they're braver and acquire war records, and they then have a command over the attention ... or they just have more time and interest to spend on politics.

    People in that situation have [an obligation] not to use the political system for self-enrichment ...
    [T]hey didn't deserve to be born with these things. ...
    These attributes were given to us ... with the responsibility to use them for the ... good of our fellow creatures. ...

    [W]hatever combination of genetic ... code that makes you a more hard-working person than others, you didn't deserve that, it's just [an advantage that] you acquired either from your genes from your parents ...

    I don't believe in equal rewards ...
    [E]njoy the rewards that your hard work and your innate abilities give you, but just do not ... write off your fellow citizens [as losers.]

  • Media Myths, 18 June, 2012.
    Sally Young: Associate Professor, School of Social and Political Sciences, University of Melbourne.
  • The Cure for Everything, 11 June, 2012.
    Timothy Caulfield: Research Director, Health, Law and Science Policy Group, University of Alberta.
  • Lament of a Progressive, 28 May, 2012.
    Michael Koziol.
  • Fairness and Freedom, 28 May, 2012.
    David Hackett Fischer: University Professor and Earl Warren Professor of History, Brandeis University.
  • Road to Ruin, 7 May, 2012.
    Geoffrey Kabaservice: Author, Rule and Ruin: The Downfall of the moderation and the destruction of the Republican Party, from Eisenhower to the Tea Party
  • Is marriage for white people?, 30 April, 2012.
    Ralph Richard Banks: Professor of Law, Stanford University.
  • Free Market Fairness, 23 April, 2012.
    John Tomasi: Professor of Political Science, Founder of the Brown's Political Theory Project, Brown University.
  • Framed: the untold story about the Croatian Six, 23 April, 2012.
    Hamish McDonald: Asia-Pacific Editor, The Sydney Morning Herald.
  • The Murray Mouth Controversy, 26 March, 2012.
    Jennifer Marohasy: Adjunct Research Fellow, Centre for Plant and Water Science, Central Queensland University.


    [Leading the Witness]


    Michael Duffy:
    Many of our listeners were upset by last week's MediaWatch program on ABC TV.
    There was a long segment on Australia's foremost environmental sceptic Jennifer Marohasy.
    Lots of people were saying that MediaWatch's treatment of her was very different from the way it, and indeed the ABC in general, treats people with more conventional ideas.
    In a moment I'll [ask her] if she thinks the ABC suppresses scientific views it disagrees with. ...


    [Weasel Words]

    [W]hat many other people have been saying since last week is that MediaWatch is hypocritical, because it only criticises the Right and not the Left in these matters.
    For example, many scientists who support the orthodoxy on Global Warming have received funding for their work from private and public sources.
    But even though this is almost never acknowledged when these experts appear in the media, MediaWatch has never once criticised any journalist or presenter for this non-disclosure. ...

    [The Verdict]

    [W]e did ask MediaWatch to confirm our recollection that it has never criticised non-disclosure regarding scientists who support the IPCC position on climate change.
    At the time of recording this program they had not responded.


    [Taking Babies From Unmarried Mothers]


    [Jennifer Marohasy,] a lot of scientists from the CSIRO and the Australian wetlands and rivers centre disagree with you about what this was like historically, they say it wasn't this sort of battle [between salf and fresh water that] we've been describing but that [Lake Alexandrina] was predominantly fresh water and that we should keep it like that, what do you say to that?

    Jennifer Marohasy:
    Look, it's been South Australian government policy that Lake Alexandrina, the central basin of this Holocene formation, it's been South Australian government policy, that it be considered a fresh water lake.
    This narrative goes right back to the foundation myths associated with the settlement of South Australia.
    The official narrative was that this lake was fresh and it had a reliably navigable passage to the sea.
    Both untruths.
    But both told to encourage the sale of land, sight unseen, to free settlers in places like Scotland on the basis that they could come and grow wheat and export it back to the homeland.
    South Australians have never come to terms with the true state of the lower Murray.
    In fact, they've just made things worse by building the sea dykes, so they avoid any discussion of them.

    Michael Duffy:
    … I know many environmental groups support this fresh water thesis.
    Why do you think they do that?

    Jennifer Marohasy:
    Over time, it's become popular in South Australia to blame upstream irrigators, and many environmental activists support this idea of a fresh water lake because they can use the idea, that the lower Murray needs more water, to take water from rice and cotton growers, and it's currently fashionable to rally against rice and cotton growers.
    Once-upon-a-time, do-gooders took babies from unmarried mothers.
    Now they take water from irrigators.

    Michael Duffy:
    [So] what's the real story about what's going on along the river?

    Jennifer Marohasy:
    That natural climate variability along the Murray Darling is so extreme that it's not even possible to prove statistically that there's been a decreasing trend in river flow at the South Australian border, despite the fact that diversions upstream are often greater than the average annual flow to South Australia.
    But this is all ignored in current planning, in the $10 billion government plan.
    For example, turn to page 127 of the current Murray-Darling Basin Authority Plan and it says, and I quote:
    Medium to large flood that would normally flush through flood plains quite regularly are now contained and regulated.
    This is nonsense.
    We had terrible drought, and the upstream storages were not large enough to provide for the lower lakes.
    Now we have terrible floods and the storages were not large enough to contain it.
    The Murray-Darling Basin Authority needs to plan on the basis of natural climate variability.
    Instead we have a plan which is really about taking water from food producers, and sending it to this artificial fresh water reservoir at the bottom of the Murray-Darling. …

    [Clayton's Peer Review]

    The bottom line is, Professor Ridd [Director of the AEF] and I are colleagues, the paper was not sent to a journal, it was a technical paper for the Australian Environment Foundation, and Peter, as a science coordinator at that foundation, and an expert on estuaries, was asked to review it.

    Michael Duffy:
    Did you show the paper to any other estuary experts before publication?

    Jennifer Marohasy:
    I did. ...
    They said the paper was sound, but only Professor Ridd was prepared to put his name on it.
    The other estuary experts said they didn't want to be associated with it because of the politics.

    Michael Duffy:
    Now MediaWatch, despite saying they weren't going to look at the science, they did a sort of a straw poll of the authors of three papers that you say supported your views, one of them agreed with you, and two them disagree with you ...
    MediaWatch:
    Well it's not Media Watch's job to argue with Dr Marohasy on the science.
    But here are two points that no other journalists seem to have made
    The report has been peer-reviewed by Professor Peter Ridd, James Cook University (Marohasy, 2012).
    ... Secondly, we asked Dr Marohasy if she could point us to any other experts who would support her conclusions.
    ... Professor Peter Gell of the University of Ballarat, broadly support[ed] her [conclusions, while] Professor[s] Bob Bourman and Dr John Tibby, vehemently reject[ed them].
    One authority to whom Dr Marohasy did not refer us [was]
    Richard Kingsford [Professor and Director, Australian Wetlands and Rivers Centre, University of New South Wales]:
    The CSIRO and Murray-Darling Basin Authority have shown that there has been a 71% reduction in median annual flows to the mouth of the River Murray. ...
    The recent Millennium drought reduced flows to the system by 89-96%. ...

    Palaeolimnolog[ical research on] frustules or silica skeletons left behind by microscopic diatoms or algae ... are retained in the lake sediments for thousands of years and indicate whether freshwater or marine species lived in a particular place.
    These tell us that salinity of the middle of Lake Alexandrina was overwhelmingly fresh origin with some marine species, reflecting only moderately influence by tidal inflows over the last 2000 years.
    This is ... consistent with a strong River Murray flow keeping the sea at bay. ...

    [If the barrages were removed] not be enough fresh water [would] delivered down the river for it to ever return to a freshwater environment.
    Many of the waterbirds would go and with them the freshwater adapted invertebrates, fish, turtles and plants.
    [N]earby freshwater Lake Albert would [likely also] become hypersaline ...
    [T]raditional owners, fishers and tourism would be [adversely] affected. ...
    [Peer reviewed s]cience should not be twisted to support [such] a poorly supported and dangerous policy option.
    None of this scientific opposition is even hinted at in most of the media coverage [- including that by the ABC].
    Jennifer Marohasy:
    I sent [a] quote [Bob Bourman] to MediaWatch with a lot of other information.
    That MediaWatch chose to ignore what these scientists have written in their peer-reviewed publications, and instead report what they might have said in response to other questions, is not something I can control.
    MediaWatch:
    Professor [Robert] Bourman [University of Wollongong]:
    The paper appears to be a Crusade against the barrages and the scientists who have actually carried out their unbiased science there, rather than a sound scientific paper.
    Jennifer Marohasy:
    I think there's a real story there for an ABC journalist who cares.
    An ABC journalist who's prepared to look at what has been written in the technical ... peer-reviewed scientific literature about the lower lakes and some of what is being said publicly by scientists.

    Mr Holmes runs with the consensus and the activists on all issues of science.
    Mr Holmes doesn't appear to have a capacity for independent assessment of the available evidence. ...

    I think that it was inappropriate that an ABC program with an apparent mandate to comment on media coverage has abused it's role.
    The main focus of the segment was a series of unwarranted personal attacks on the integrity of myself and others through innuendo and ill-informed suggestion.
    One is left very puzzled as to why this story was featured on MediaWatch.
    The only conclusion that I can reach is that the primary aim was an attempt to discredit individuals as part of a political agenda fostered by the ABC.
    Jennifer Marohasy’s response to Media Watch’s questions:
    It appears Media Watch is ... asserting or implying that my professional judgement and integrity as a scientist has been influenced or corrupted by personal financial gain. ...

    MediaWatch:
    We're not suggesting anything of the sort.
    Nor are we disputing the AEFs right to promote her views.
    We are saying that journalists too easily swallow, and pass on without challenge, highly controversial claims put forward in the name of science, by organisations whose agendas aren't obvious from their names.
    [Undermining Public Confidence in Science]

    Michael Duffy:
    Well, when [MediaWatch] finished with the science, that did come back to issue that journalists and radio hosts have a responsibility to talk about the allegiances of experts and scientists that they interview. ...
    There is an assumption out there that government funding is somehow pure and that it doesn't really need to be acknowledged.
    Is that true do you think?
    Do you think the source of funding could influence the science even if it comes from the government?

    Jennifer Marohasy:
    ... The most paranoid and controlling science managers tend to work for government.
    That's been my experience.
    I can't work for government because I won't be told what to discover, or how to report it, or what to say.
    [Presumably the Central Queensland University is an exception]

    Would you like to know more?

  • 13 February, 2012.

    Paul Comrie-Thomson:
    Did you see that article by Jonathan [inaudible] in the Australian last week.

    Michael Duffy:
    Global warming over the past 15 years, of the three leading datasets he quoted, one has the earth warming by 0.15 per decade, another by 51 thousanths of a degree and a third by a mere 74 thousanths.

    Paul Comrie-Thomson:
    Which is a lot less than the IPCC prediction of 0.2 degree each decade. ...
    In fact the earth has warmed very little in the past 15 years, but as we are always told we can't draw conclusions from a 15 year period.

    Michael Duffy:
    Oh why not? [exasperation]

    Paul Comrie-Thomson:
    Because it's too short.

    Michael Duffy:
    But no-one said that about the previous 15 years when there was a lot of warming. ...
    ... I wonder why you can't tell anything from 15 years, if carbon dioxide causes warming, why should that stop happening for a while.
    I'd like to hear someone explain that.

    Paul Comrie-Thomson:
    To be fair, there's still a lot of uncertainty in the state of our knowledge. ...

    Michael Duffy:
    I wonder how long warming has to be insignificant before people start to admit we're not facing a catastrophe ... 16 years, 20, 30?
    peaceandlonglife:
    25-30 years.
    Climate Science Update:
    [T]he IPCC has chosen 25 years as the shortest trend line they show in the global temperature records ...
    (Allison et al, 2009)
    Atmospheric temperature anomalies over shorter time spans can be swamped by natural climate variability e.g. the El Nino Southern Oscillation (ENSO), decadal variations in solar activity and volcanic eruptions.

    Carbon dioxide does cause constant warming however the trapped heat is distributed between atmosphere, land and ocean (85%+).
    The total heat content of the climate system as a whole has been increasing steadily for the last 40 years (Cook, 2010, p 4).


    Figure based on data from: DM Murphy, S Solomon, RW Portmann, KH Rosenlof, PM Forster, and T Wong, (2009), An observationally based energy balance for the Earth since 1950, 114 , D17107+.

    AR4:
    For the next two decades a warming of about 0.2°C per decade is projected for a range of SRES emissions scenarios.
    (IPCC, 2007, p 45)
    As we are only 5 years into the 20 year prediction period it too early to judge whether this projection will be borne out or out.
    Given that "the most recent 10-year period (2001-2010) [was] the warmest decade on record" one cannot rule out a further 0.3°C increase over the next 15 years (Steffen, 2011, p 6).

    The trick to creating these "peak warming" illusions is to hide the underlying trend by exploiting extremes of natural variability.
    ~ 1998 is a popular start date for "cherry picking" the temperature record as it was an above trend year due to a strong El Nino (which transfers heat from ocean to atmosphere).
    2011 is, similarly, an ideal end point when "cooking" the data - because of the back to back La Nina events (transferring heat from atmosphere to ocean) that occurred over 2010-2011.
    Despite the 2010 La Nina:
    State of the Climate 2012:
    Global-average surface temperatures were the warmest on record in 2010 (slightly higher than 2005 and 1998) [and] 2011 was ... the warmest year on record during a La NiƱa event.
    (CSIRO, BOM)

    The 2008-2009 solar minimum was "the quietest sun we've seen in almost a century".

    Certain datasets, such as Hadley Centre data, do not include the Arctic (which is warming the fastest) and are not fully representative of global changes.

    "Uncertainty" for the anti-climate science community equates to inaction.
    From a scientific viewpoint "uncertainty" is equivalent to "confidence".
    The findings of the thousands of scientists of the global climate science community, as compiled in the AR4 (IPCC, 2007) are:
    • "Warming of the climate system is unequivocal ..." (p 30)
    • There is a greater than 90% probability that "[m]ost of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is ... due to the observed increase in anthropogenic GHG [Green House Gas] concentrations" (p 39)
    • There is a greater than 66% probability that "[u]nmitigated climate change [will] in the long term ... exceed the capacity of natural, managed and human systems to adapt." (p 65)

    The issue of whether or not to act is not a scientific question.
    It is a risk management one.
    One's home may or may not burn down, but given the major impact it would have if it did, it is prudent to invest in measures to prevent it.

    The Australian newspaper has a well documented record of misrepresenting climate science by the selective quotation of sources.
    Would you like to know more?

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Business As Usual = Recipe For Disaster

John Kennedy:
[I]n the final analysis, our most basic common link is that ...
[W]e all inhabit this small planet.
We all breathe the same air.
We all cherish our children's future.
And we are all mortal.
(Commencement Address, American University, 1963)

Dan Kahan:
[T]here is no logical connection between what you propose to do to solve a problem and whether there ... is a problem in the first place.
Either the earth is heating up, it's being caused by humans, and it's going to have a bad effect ‒ or not.
[W]hether those are true propositions or not does not depend [on how] you're proposing to deal with that problem ...
(Water Institute Lecture)

Bertrand Russell:
There is no hope for the world unless power can be tamed, and brought into the service [of the whole
human race ...]
[F]or science has made it inevitable that all must live or all must die. ...
(Power, p 24, 1938)

THE PROBLEM


Increasing heat (infra-red) trapping due to rising atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations
AR4:
[There is a greater than 90% likelihood m]ost of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is ... due to the observed increase in anthropogenic GHG [Green House Gas] concentrations.
(p 39)

[There is a greater than 66% probability that u]nmitigated climate change [will], in the long term ... exceed the capacity of natural, managed and human systems to adapt.
(p 65)

CSIRO/BOM:
The relative contributions to the enhanced greenhouse effect from pre-industrial times to 2011 ... are:

  • CO2 (64 per cent),

  • CH4 (18 per cent),

  • synthetics (12 per cent) and

  • N2O (six per cent).

The earlier effective action is taken to address the problem, the lower the likely climate related economic and human costs will be and the lower the risk of irreversible changes.
The longer action is delayed, the greater the likely costs and the higher the risk of abrupt and/or irreversible changes.

THE SOLUTIONS


Reduce the amount of greenhouse gases being added to the atmosphere

Power stations21.3%
Industrial processes16.8%
Transportation fuels14.0%
Agricultural byproducts12.5%
Fossil fuel retrieval, processing, and distribution11.3%
Residential, commercial and other sources10.3%
Land use and biomass burning10.0%
Waste disposal and treatment3.4%

Carbon dioxide

  • Low emissions energy sources: solar, geothermal, hydro/wave/tidal, nuclear and wind.

  • Carbon capture and storage for high emission energy sources: coal and gas.

  • Increasing energy efficiency/decrease energy intensity.

  • Non-food crop derived biofuels for transportation.
    Promote mass transportation, cycling and walking.

  • Substitute other materials for cement in building materials.


Methane

  • Moderate meat consumption.


Nitrous oxide

  • Reduce nitrogen fertiliser usage/wastage.


Increase the amount of greenhouse gases being removed from the atmosphere



Reduce the amount of heat trapped by high (cirrus) cloud



Increase the amount of heat reflected by low cloud (albedo)



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